what happened to rock river arms

It was the most vicious thing in the article, making their hypocrisy with regard to 2A plain as day by pointing out that now they ‘may’ be doing what they said they were this whole time). But they failed to mention Illinois Carry, the Illinois Federation for Outdoor Resources and Guns Save Life, all of which have worked hard in Springfield, putting in hundreds of lobbying hours fighting against Second Amendment infringements like SB-1657. Senator Don Harmon, being the dedicated anti-gunner he is, introduced a slightly altered version again this year, SB-1657. Mike and Valinda Rowe spent countless hours working the rail on behalf of IllinoisCarry. “I welcome them?”…What? I’ve worked for a lot of companies and I can tell you this without a doubt- the treasury officer knows every dime that comes and goes and every large dollar transaction is approved by them. I find the finish to the article very bizarre. It may be fictional but it is an important life lesson and one that should be remembered at times such as this. Larson called and spoke with me. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. DONT pretend for a second they’ve changed their views or are honest about working to defend rights now, they got what they want and now are feeding you all BS to the highest degree and you’re gobbling it up. I doubt anyone wants their arms, counsels or emails. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen Everyone wants to help after being busted to the public. [3] Parting ways with Les Baer in 1993, the Larsons began to build AR-15 type rifles for Eagle Arms in Coal Valley, Illinois. I own two of your products but I can assure you that I will never own anything else from Springfield Armory. Instead of being self-righteous here, and patting yourself on the back, thank those they REALLY wanted an XD or M1A but will now forego them to make a statement. Re: Rock River Arms guns...how are they? Carpetbaggers representing Everytown, Moms Demand, Gabby Giffords’ ARS and the Brady Campaign, to name a few, found their way to our fine state. I don’t need for my ass to get warm to realize someone is blowing smoke up it. I agree with American Idiot. Arizona doesn’t fight alone.). One of the most prominent examples of a budget 1911 is the Rock Island Armory (RIA) 1911. http://www.azcdl.org/html/accomplishments.html. To be fair, Mr. Larson and Mr. Reese’s respective claims of not keeping up on what was happening in the Illinois General Assembly might be true. Especially considering: Notice I said it’s a bill. Hmm, now who was playing treasury officer? Sure, they may have funded IFMA with hundreds of thousands of dollars FOR YEARS, but they were totally in the dark about the carve-out deal. Any future purchases will be from manufacturers west of the Mississippi, or at least south of the Mason-Dixon Line. It contained some explicit comments. In December 2003, after outperforming 10 other manufacturers in rifle abuse tests, Rock River Arms was awarded a contract with the Drug Enforcement Administration for a minimum of 5,000 LAR-15 rifles to be purchased over five years. How does an entity not know what their representatives are doing? How can you welcome springfield and rra after they made a deal and there is more to this deal, that is not mentioned , and if you dig more it will come out, now they are trying to say they didn’t knew nothing, Springfield Armory has fought and defeated legislation like this in Illinois for the past 15 years. They created a monster and let it loose on the people of the state. I hope they can somehow magically stop this bill (for their sake…I own some SA products I like a lot), but I doubt it and I along with many others will hold them accountable if they don’t. If I read the information correctly, some of the money definitely left IFMA … and then it disappeared. But spec is just one element that go into a rifle. VS has sissified and PC’d everything they own, with ruthless fascist mods who will send you to Banned Camp the instant you type a non-PC thought. For proof of that, just look at TFB where they are owned by Vertical Scope, an internets™ behemoth that has bought up damn near every internets™ forum around. There’s a bit of irony in that. The logic is fine, except for the fact that you can shoot .308 and .458 socom and .338 Federal and tons of other large calibers out of tons of other semi-auto guns. I don’t welcome their support, I don’t welcome their voice and I don’t welcome or want their products or company anywhere near me EVER again. Read Springfield’s first statement. Rock River Arms LAR-15 Tactical Operator 2 with RRA Dominator2 EOTech Mount $1,399.99 $979.99; Brand: Rock River Arms; Item Number: BB2512; Rock River Arms ATH ADVANCED TACT HUNTER CARBINE 5.56 $1,370.00 $1,369.99; Notify Me When Available; The largest free gun classifieds on the web. One way or the other, they fvcked up. [7], Rock River LAR-15 rifles were exported to Iraq. NEVER FORGET – BOYCOTT SPRINGFIELD ARMORY and ROCK RIVER ARMS FOREVER!!! Here in AZ, the Arizona Citizens Defense League has only around 2000 members, and yet, AZCDL and its handful of members are responsible for most of the pro-rights laws passed the last few years in AZ. And if you believe the drivel these liars are feeding you, you deserve the gestapo kicking down your doors!! But people must learn that actions have consequences. We had been betrayed by the lobbyist of a firm led by Rock River Arms and Springfield Armory’s owners — and no one else. None of this makes sense. I could be wrong and they may be totally innocent….but their tardy reaction and especially the fact that they blew you off back in February when you tried to discuss the behavior of their ‘trade associaton’ with them, indicates to me that they either knew and approved or knew and didn’t care. We can certainly use their help. You are embarrassing Kalifornian gun owners with that statement. Now, their change of stance is – again – ONLY focused on their bottom line because of the uproar from concerned citizens and their customers (I mean previous customers). Do you think anything that T-BAG or John Bock says is credible???? Either way, no decent Second Amendment loving American has any business patronizing Springfield Assholes Inc, or Rat River Arms. Make a donation to these pro gun groups who are doing the work you say you support to the tune of twice what you paid the lobbiests! If SA and RRA were innocent, they would have spoken openly and truthfully to Boch, instead of avoiding him. Don’t get me wrong, I applaud Mr. Boch’s work. He repeated his SHOT line a third time, parrot-like, before walking away. He asked for proof. The carbine’s long top rail makes it easy to add optics as well, including the Trijicon MRO. Yeah, like anyone in their right mind would trust them now. They didn’t know the efforts of their own lobbyists working with politicians on a bill that would directly affect them? In February, I placed calls to Chuck Larson at Rock River and Dennis Reese at Springfield. I believe in our 2nd amendment and our right to bear arms. I don’t always agree with John, but I believe he’s sincere and a tireless defender of our rights. “I’m working on a story about some campaign contributions your lobbying outfit, the Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association, has made to some anti-gun Democrats. You won’t hurt my feelings. They got caught. rock river arms (in stock) 0.0. a4 9mm upper receiver. It’s a proprietary AR receiver system based on the LAR series with integral backup iron sights that rest flush with the flattop rail and a relocated charging handle. Richard Pearson, Maureen Mulhall and Jim Vinopal all lobbied on behalf of the Illinois State Rifle Association. I am new to gun legislation so please forgive me. How many of the “activists” who now won’t buy that new SA gun can’t even be bothered to follow a link and send the pre-prepared letters for their own state – much less join? Companies don’t pay big buck lobbyists to work on their behalf and not know what’s going on. Rock River Arms, Inc.® (RRA) wants to assure the Illinois (and national) firearms community that we are still 100 percent opposed to the Gun … I call them T-BAG. Are you serious? Iraqi Special Forces received and used LAR-15 rifles.[8]. Springfield Armory just sent me an email pleading with gun owners to fight against SB 1657. Totally didn’t.”. Why did Springfield and Rock River Arms wait until Monday to issue a response? Springfield Armory, like Rock River Arms, was not aware of the actions taken by our trade association, IFMA, until after the fact. I wouldn’t say that breaking the story that could very well end them as companies is being soft. Has anybody noticed whenever you click on a Springfield hyperlink link in the article it takes you to Midway’s website and if you click on RRA’s links it takes you to Brownell’s site. OUT OF STOCK (1) Barrett 17011 REC7 Carbine Semi-Automatic 6.8mm SPC 16.0 10 Mag. Either way, YOU’RE OUT! Spring and Rock are evil companies that need to be ousted from the shooting community. Enter the Rock River Arms IRS 2. John Boch is a peacemaker and a dealmaker, so the final paragraph is not a shock to me in the least. He seems to think they didn’t try to screw us….. We’re talking about this Dennis Reese, right? Keep up the good work Mr Farago and Mr Boch. As others-and yourself-have pointed out, Springfield and Rock River Arms ARE the IFMA. Yours is an example of what is wrong with this country. Springfield Armory has jumped into the gun rights fight in Illinois. Sure, those out there might not be able to get their favorite gun, but there are many other firms standing in the gap making equally fine products who will step up to fill the void that the possible loss of one or both of these firms create. They knew, they gave money to anti’s and your going to welcome them to the fight? Good thing there are other options out there. Go back to their original statements, it was all deny, deflect, make counter accusations. His logic is sound, if you are going to have a round limit more energy per shot is a good thing. This now seems totally out of place. (And FYI, I have donated to AZCDL even though I am a resident of Montana, and I doubt that I am the only non-resident to do so. At around the same time, they began their own venture, Tolerance Plus (the name was later changed to Rock River Arms), producing custom 1911 pistols. First, the initial articles about this incident were published on Friday. Springfield Armory is dead to me. (ie. When you ran your first “story”, you sensationalized it by titling it that SA and RRA specifically carved out a deal as if you knew that for a fact when you did not. Glad to see you’re coming around, Boch, and trying to welcome back one of best firearm manufacturers in the fight against anti-gun bills, as they’ve promised to do. So What Happened At Rock River Arms & Springfield Armory??? The bill quickly passed the entire Senate by a single vote. Buy from someone else. As an Illinois resident, and a Springfield merchandise owner, I hope these two men step up big time to defeat this bill and I also hope they do not give more money to those who hate us because we own the means of our defense. The important part of the article is the info, not the wink at the end. If they truly didn’t know what the lobbyist was doing, what does that say? Thousands. My only question at this point is, what other companies have been doing similar things with nobody to draw back the curtain and expose them? Even Dr. Dao settled with UA and the cop didn’t even work for the airline, wake up! I might have been born at night, but it wasn’t last night. The two big powerhouse lobbyists from NRA-ILA burned the candle at both ends. So I still have to ask, “Where have you been, Springfield and Rock River?”. I thank him and you should as well. Are they trying to do the same thing in the firearms industry???? It’s like he doesn’t understand how hard it is to get a right back once it’s been stolen! Because otherwise, their time as a business could be just as fleeting as some of the others of the past. The bill features all manner of gun control in one tidy little package. The Illinois Federation for Outdoor Resources stood by our side. I no longer need any marketing material from your company. Wouldn’t surprise me if such an inaccuracy constitutes fraud or perjury (but I’m not a lawyer, but having signed 990s for years in the past, I am pretty sure there is a perjury clause). TTAG staff (thankfully) deleted the comment I was replying to. Get the inside scoop on jobs, salaries, top office locations, and CEO insights. It is not law. Profits are evil when God given rights are traded in the process. They aren’t in this fight for keeps. The gun grabbers are not the ones who will buy your products, nor are they the ones who are ever going to march or send money to politicians who are going to support your companies right to sell your products to the very public that you depend on for your very existence. If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquillity of servitude than the animating contest of freedom, — go from us in peace. That’s when I did more research on the political donation story. I warned him that if he cut a deal, the gun owning community would not look favorably upon it. I’m afraid that John’s excessively conciliatory approach may influence readers to likewise adopt the idea that the whole debacle really was just one big misunderstanding, and in doing so, prevent les collaborateurs from receiving their just desserts. I am agahst at this whole mess. Would they now be reduced to emails as the support mechanism? He has repeatedly listed, including links and photos, the actual official documents that bury Rock River and Springfield. It’s like you didn’t read what you yourself wrote? I see posts often on WOG from state-run gun rights organizations asking for help. They also serve who only sit and boycott. If I ran a company, and my personal lobbyist “went rogue” and dropped a PR grenade like this in my lap, it wouldn’t take me five days to shit-can his ass. You acknowledge all this contact months prior and all this time they did NOTHING. He’s much more forgiving than I would be. How is this being gracious in victory? There is a lesson to be learned here, and I hope that the people who need to learn it take it to heart. Long term friends/allies begging him to call off the dogs? Wouldn’t surprise me if the “didn’t know” was true – but averting one’s eyes to avoid learning the truth in this political climate is BS. Is anybody aware that T-BAG used to be in the car industry and created so much fake news that the car industry bought them out to make them go away? I’m with Bob Owens on this one. The only place I’d welcome seeing them is at a soup kitchen. Rock River Arms. From The Gun Writer. The work is long, thankless and often frustrating. In the end, we killed it off as part of an “all hands on deck” effort. FlamencoD — you’ve entirely glossed over the part where discussion of Keller’s work on the carve-out went back to January. Our legislative team spends a lot of time at the capitol, and we all work behind them and support them. Boycotting is very effective. OUT OF STOCK (4) LWRC SIX8-A5 6.8 SPC. Glad to have you the team, gentlemen. I’ll second and vote “Aye!” on that motion. No matter how you cut it it all stinks. Those never change, even when the people die. Did you read the article? Rock River Arms RUK-15 Low prices and fast shipping! I’d like to know why John Boch didn’t report on this earlier when its clear from his timeline that he knew shenanigans were happening as far back as February. Springfield, RRA, put your money where your mouth is! Flint River Armory, LLC [email protected]. I do own a couple of Springfield products…in fact one is my duty weapon…and I do like the weapons and have had good luck with their customer service, but I’m afraid they have just lost my support. RRA’s co-founder is Chuck Larson, who is also IFMA’s treasurer. I’m still not buying the remorse from these 2 companies since their time-delayed responses seems extremely contrived and coordinated at every step. He _had_ to have been directed to take no poisition. They are not friends of the firearms industry or the 2nd Amendment. As for Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms: never bought anything from the latter, but I have owned two SA rifles. That’s rich. If they didn’t know, they are incompetent. You DUMPED the genie out of the bottle, John. (Colona, IL) On Friday, April 5, 2013 Rock River Arms President, Mark Larson passed away at the age of 50. That would make absolutely no sense if he had “gone off the rails”. Never. Or, you know, it’s f’ing automated by viglink like half the dang sites on the web. Ok cut a deal so as to benefit my business, but in doing so piss off 99.999% of my customers. Oh that’s right, THE OWNER OF RRA! I told him to compare and contrast the IFMA Form 990s with the ISBE website, just as I’d done. I had high hopes for her and Rock River Arms. I told him about the political donations his lobbying group, IFMA, had made to anti-gun Democratic politicians. You’re surely negotiating with (bill sponsor) Harmon on this, are you?” I asked him. Sensational BS just to get clicks to drive advertising dollars. From Springfield Armory, the Larsons went into partnership with Les Baer to form Les Baer Custom and build custom 1911 pistols. I’ve never cared for Rock River Arms so none of my money or support has gone their way. John Boch made it pretty clear in the article that he thought things were hinky in January. Over in printed magazine land, Primedia has done the same thing to formerly great mags like Guns & Ammo and Florida Sportsman. You won’t see my money until I see yours in the hands of the groups doing the work you should have done! So what do you think? http://www.upi.com/Archives/1989/03/16/Salvador-based-Army-colonel-indicted-on-bribery-charges/5406606027600/. 2,000 members? Much of the proprietary knowledge used by engineers to make the RUK-15 reliable with such a short barrel surrounds this setup and gas port size. OUT OF STOCK (0) LWRC SIX8-A5 6.8 SPC. Good luck stuffing it back in. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if every client of Jay Keller had a similar shell company going. It should be a wake up call to any other firearms company out there, that just like S and W in the past, and their behind the scenes deals, the American firearms buying public doesn’t suffer fools very kindly, and it doesn’t pay to stand on the wrong side of the 2nd amendment. There are 4 people listed as Directors on IRS form 990, Dennis Reese, (CEO of SA) and Tom Reese, (Co-chairman of the Board of SA) and Chuck Larson, (Co-Owner of RRA ) and Jay Keller, the actual lobbyist. They saw the push back and panicked. He is likely the person who wrote the checks to the F rated politicians. And a decent used Springfield is still cutting into their bottom line, they make profits selling new product, the used market is a direct competitor. Stymied on the federal level, a full compliment of DC-based lobbyists came to deep-blue Illinois in search of a gun control victory. You let people get away with shady stuff, they will keep doing it. Thanks John! Maybe Mr. Boch is heavily medicated? Putting it aside to put ball in their court to step up and defeat this bill (i.e. Because SA/RRA didn’t stop their opposition back then and the bill didn’t pass back then? Negotiating an amendment to the legislation to exempt these companies in exchange for them dropping their opposition to the bill did not happen suddenly and off the cuff! I have been critical of some of his articles in the past. Had they _lied_ to Boch, they would have been more believable than the behavior they displayed. I call BS!!! Store; Introducing the CSA45; Videos; The CSA45 -- Purpose Designed for the .45ACP. http://lobbying-firms.insidegov.com/l/41251/J-Alexander-Hunt-Inc. As far as who’s on the IFMA corporation, when you create a company you have to list officers and have an annual meeting. “Welcome to the fight” implies they only just joined it. Not knowing what was going on this situation is inexcusable; knowing and lying about it is even worse. Use them for the fight now, make them crash and burn when the fight is over. They didn’t know anything about a bill that would directly affect them? Our good friend Mark Walters, host of Armed American Radio, had Rock River Arms general manager Sarah Larson on his Sunday “Monster Show.” (Here’s a link to the podcast.) While the .300 AAC Blackout has continued to grow in popularity among shooters, the new LAR-300 X-1 rifle from Rock River Arms takes the cartridge to a whole new level of performance. That story was written for a reason. No remorse there. It still needs to pass the Illinois House, which has some pro-gun Democrats, and get signed by a Republican governor. This is softening the blow on them and people who just read public statements and articles like this and on other sponsored gun mag rags will think “oh well it wasnt so bad”. Keep digging it will come out. Use their lobbying muscle and money for the fight. Stag Arms 15 Super Varminter 6.8 SPC. how many of the people now bitching about RRA & SA don’t do crap for gun rights, other than maybe being an NRA member – if that. Rock Solid: Rock River Arms’ NSP CAR Rifle Rock River Arms ships the LAR-15 NSP CAR with a set of polymer backup sights that are spring-loaded, meaning they’ll flip up in an instant when deployed. So, as long as the 990 was not too old, I think TTAG, and everyone who wants to, is GTG with telling them to phuck off. John, why didn’t you report on this in February when it might have done some good? If SAI and RRA did know about buying the carve out and years of donations to anti-2A politicians, they are quisling traitors. That’s when his witness slip showed up under “No Position,” meaning IFMA officially took no stance as to SB-1657’s passage. You must be one of those weirdos that gets off on being punched in the face. Please have your dealer E-mail or fax a copy of their license, including your name and order number, … The Illinois Senate passed SB 1657, the Gun Dealer Licensing Act’s official name, by only one vote. Each firearm is built using 4140 Ordnance steel and engineered using the latest CNC machines. Perhaps eventually they could regain their luster after a time of penance, or perhaps reorganization. I’d say it’s pretty likely that’s what happened with the creation of the IFMA and would be why SA and RRA were clueless – they were just names on incorporation documents and never took an active role. Which still leaves SA and RR incompetent, or complicit. You have to wonder if Owens is really so willfully blind as to swallow the SA/RR story hook, line and sinker, or if there’s another reason for his dogged defense of these companies that he’d rather his readers not know. So with your antipathy towards the site, why are you here? In Michigan, Michigan Open Carry does most of the work and we only have 400+ members, but the legislature takes our calls and we work closely with them to draft pro-2A bills. That points to the potential that Jay may have gone off the rails without SA or RRA approval, as both companies said occurred. Chuck Larson, (RRA), is/was the treasurer of record for the IFMA. The RUK-15 in 5.56 is gas operated, so Rock River Arms had to design a unique straight gas-tube assembly that didn’t come into contact with the barrel nut. I think what John means is that SAI & RRA now have the opportunity to put their money where their mouths are and put their big boy pants on and TRULY help to stop this bill. Intro to the AR-15 Rifle at Rock River Arms Headquarters in Colona, Illinois. http://www.azcdl.org/html/accomplishments.html. rock river arms (in stock) 5.0 (1) forged a4 upper receiver assembly. Judas felt remorse at the end too, it did not go well for him either. Yesterday, both Rock River Arms and Springfield Armory severed ties with their own private lobbying group, The Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association (IFMA). You welcome them? Mark Larson, along with his brother Chuck, founded Rock River Arms in 1996 when they began producing high quality 1911-style pistols and AR-15 style rifles. [2] Between 1981 and 1991 the Larsons worked at Springfield Armory, Inc., where Mark was the head armorer. We faced this bill last session in the Illinois General Assembly. So What Happened At Rock River Arms & Springfield Armory??? Or, he did what his bosses told him to do, got them their deal, and hid under a rock somewhere because he knew it would be an unpopular move. This welcome news came five long days after the world first learned of IFMA’s deal to trade opposition to a gun licensing scheme for a carve-out for existing manufacturers and big box stores. However, we are not open to the public for direct sales. Welcome, Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms. Firearm parts manufacturer in Colona, Illinois, U.S. http://www.indeed.com/cmp/Rock-River-Arms-Inc, http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_ID=24, "And Then There Was One: Feds Select New Fighting Rifle, Rock River's DEA Carbine", "ISOF Arms & Equipment Part 1 – Personal Equipment – Armament Research Services", https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rock_River_Arms&oldid=970713189, Firearm manufacturers of the United States, Companies based in Henry County, Illinois, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License, This page was last edited on 1 August 2020, at 23:22. They sold you folks out. Go on, let’s go.”. 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